Comments on: the death penalty http://questions-for-christians.com/2005/03/18/the-death-penalty/ Seeking to understand the Christian right amidst a preponderance of wrong. Wed, 27 Aug 2008 23:31:56 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5 by: Elvis http://questions-for-christians.com/2005/03/18/the-death-penalty/#comment-5 Fri, 18 Mar 2005 21:12:42 -0500 http://questions-for-christians.com/2005/03/18/the-death-penalty/#comment-5 Many don't. They're called Catholics. Perhaps you've heard of them. Many don’t. They’re called Catholics. Perhaps you’ve heard of them.

]]> by: supak.com http://questions-for-christians.com/2005/03/18/the-death-penalty/#comment-7 Fri, 18 Mar 2005 21:26:04 -0500 http://questions-for-christians.com/2005/03/18/the-death-penalty/#comment-7 Not all Catholics are against the Death Penalty. Besides, I think you missed the point. The question is obviously for Christians who DO believe in the death penalty... Not all Catholics are against the Death Penalty.

Besides, I think you missed the point. The question is obviously for Christians who DO believe in the death penalty…

]]> by: LIbrarianman http://questions-for-christians.com/2005/03/18/the-death-penalty/#comment-11 Fri, 18 Mar 2005 21:53:07 -0500 http://questions-for-christians.com/2005/03/18/the-death-penalty/#comment-11 Like the Christians who supported Bush, an adamant proponent of the Death Penalty. Like the Christians who supported Bush, an adamant proponent of the Death Penalty.

]]> by: Rob http://questions-for-christians.com/2005/03/18/the-death-penalty/#comment-14 Fri, 18 Mar 2005 22:11:55 -0500 http://questions-for-christians.com/2005/03/18/the-death-penalty/#comment-14 I saw Pope John Paul I's last mass, and John Paul II's first mass while attending Marymount in Rome. That Catholic enough for you, Elv? I'm still waiting to hear an answer from someone to whom this question applies. I saw Pope John Paul I’s last mass, and John Paul II’s first mass while attending Marymount in Rome. That Catholic enough for you, Elv? I’m still waiting to hear an answer from someone to whom this question applies.

]]> by: Elvis http://questions-for-christians.com/2005/03/18/the-death-penalty/#comment-15 Fri, 18 Mar 2005 22:18:37 -0500 http://questions-for-christians.com/2005/03/18/the-death-penalty/#comment-15 Okay, I'll try to be less flippant this time. People who get the death penalty did something to deserve it. A baby is incapable of evil, thus does not deserve the death penalty of abortion. So I'll flip the question: how can people who oppose the death penalty support abortion? Maybe you are vegetarians (I see a link to an organic gardening site). If you respect the lives of animals who have lower brain functions, then why not similarly support a living fetus? The thing is, actions have consequences. You take a life, I believe that you have forfeited the right to your own. You sleep around, well, you're eventually going to get some STDs or have a kid. Okay, I’ll try to be less flippant this time. People who
get the death penalty did something to deserve it. A baby is
incapable of evil, thus does not deserve the death penalty
of abortion.

So I’ll flip the question: how can people who oppose the death
penalty support abortion?

Maybe you are vegetarians (I see a link to an organic gardening
site). If you respect the lives of animals who have lower brain functions, then
why not similarly support a living fetus?

The thing is, actions have consequences. You take a life, I believe
that you have forfeited the right to your own. You sleep around, well,
you’re eventually going to get some STDs or have a kid.

]]> by: supak.com http://questions-for-christians.com/2005/03/18/the-death-penalty/#comment-20 Fri, 18 Mar 2005 22:46:51 -0500 http://questions-for-christians.com/2005/03/18/the-death-penalty/#comment-20 "People who get the death penalty did something to deserve it." But the Bible says thou shalt not kill. Is there some part of the Bible that over-rides the commandments? Abortion is only a death penalty if you can prove that a fetus is alive. I don't care much for late term abortions, unless a woman and her doctor have a good medical reason for it, and that's up to them, not the government. There's no way you can ever convince me that a first trimester baby is a person. Abortions should be safe, legal, and rare. But the larger point is that abortion is a private medical procedure, BY LAW, and the death penalty is a public, and publicly funded, taking of a human life that is definately ALIVE. And that is expressly forbidden by the fifth or sixth commandment, depending on which version you go by. And, while you are claiming that I have a conflict in my logic, you fail to justify your opposite conflict... I'm not a vegetarian. Organic just means no chemicals. Actions do have consequences. The consequence of using a condom is that you stop STDs and pregnancies (thereby reducing the amount of abortions). “People who get the death penalty did something to deserve it.”

But the Bible says thou shalt not kill. Is there some part of the Bible that over-rides the commandments?

Abortion is only a death penalty if you can prove that a fetus is alive. I don’t care much for late term abortions, unless a woman and her doctor have a good medical reason for it, and that’s up to them, not the government. There’s no way you can ever convince me that a first trimester baby is a person.

Abortions should be safe, legal, and rare.

But the larger point is that abortion is a private medical procedure, BY LAW, and the death penalty is a public, and publicly funded, taking of a human life that is definately ALIVE. And that is expressly forbidden by the fifth or sixth commandment, depending on which version you go by.

And, while you are claiming that I have a conflict in my logic, you fail to justify your opposite conflict…

I’m not a vegetarian. Organic just means no chemicals.

Actions do have consequences. The consequence of using a condom is that you stop STDs and pregnancies (thereby reducing the amount of abortions).

]]> by: Rob http://questions-for-christians.com/2005/03/18/the-death-penalty/#comment-21 Fri, 18 Mar 2005 23:09:23 -0500 http://questions-for-christians.com/2005/03/18/the-death-penalty/#comment-21 I don't support abortion. I support my right to choose what to do with my body. There are many unfortunate things in life, which are sad and take a degree of maturity to accept. I don't believe it is up to anyone else to decide how I choose to deal with my personal tragedies. Actions do have consequences, you're right. I chose to have an abortion when I stupidly got pregnant at 16. It was painful, is painful, in so many ways. The consequence of that action? I am a mature mother of two wonderful children I cannot imagine my life without. The point is, they are MY consequences, no one else's. Just like if I had starved myself. I don’t support abortion. I support my right to choose what to do with my body. There are many unfortunate things in life, which are sad and take a degree of maturity to accept. I don’t believe it is up to anyone else to decide how I choose to deal with my personal tragedies.
Actions do have consequences, you’re right. I chose to have an abortion when I stupidly got pregnant at 16. It was painful, is painful, in so many ways. The consequence of that action? I am a mature mother of two wonderful children I cannot imagine my life without. The point is, they are MY consequences, no one else’s. Just like if I had starved myself.

]]> by: svail http://questions-for-christians.com/2005/03/18/the-death-penalty/#comment-25 Sat, 19 Mar 2005 01:16:25 -0500 http://questions-for-christians.com/2005/03/18/the-death-penalty/#comment-25 This is what this whole thing is turning into. It's just plain creepy: Republicans in the Senate have just announced plans for their own bit of theatrical grandstanding: They're going to subpoena Terri Schiavo to appear before the Senate Health Committee. "Appear" is the operative word, of course. Schiavo, who has been in a persistent vegetative state for more than a decade, can't really "testify" before the committee. But the Republicans aren't looking for her testimony. They're looking for a way to prevent doctors from removing her feeding tube, and they figure that subpoenaing Schiavo might provide it. As Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist explained in a statement, federal law makes it a crime for anyone to "obstruct or impede a witness's attendance or testimony." Removing the feeding tube would lead to Schiavo's death, thereby "obstructing or impeding" her appearance before the Senate. Thus, by demanding that Schiavo be moved from Florida to Washington for a show hearing, the Republicans can -- without a court order, without even a vote in Congress -- game the system to keep Schiavo alive for a little while longer. This is what this whole thing is turning into. It’s just plain creepy:

Republicans in the Senate have just announced plans for their own bit of theatrical grandstanding: They’re going to subpoena Terri Schiavo to appear before the Senate Health Committee.

“Appear” is the operative word, of course. Schiavo, who has been in a persistent vegetative state for more than a decade, can’t really “testify” before the committee. But the Republicans aren’t looking for her testimony. They’re looking for a way to prevent doctors from removing her feeding tube, and they figure that subpoenaing Schiavo might provide it. As Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist explained in a statement, federal law makes it a crime for anyone to “obstruct or impede a witness’s attendance or testimony.” Removing the feeding tube would lead to Schiavo’s death, thereby “obstructing or impeding” her appearance before the Senate. Thus, by demanding that Schiavo be moved from Florida to Washington for a show hearing, the Republicans can — without a court order, without even a vote in Congress — game the system to keep Schiavo alive for a little while longer.

]]> by: James http://questions-for-christians.com/2005/03/18/the-death-penalty/#comment-33 Mon, 21 Mar 2005 03:56:03 -0500 http://questions-for-christians.com/2005/03/18/the-death-penalty/#comment-33 The Christian supports the penalty because it is Biblical to do so. That authority, to execute justice upon deserving individuals, is given to the state not to the private person. The Christian supports the penalty because it is Biblical to do so. That authority, to execute justice upon deserving individuals, is given to the state not to the private person.

]]> by: Rob http://questions-for-christians.com/2005/03/18/the-death-penalty/#comment-36 Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:43:48 -0500 http://questions-for-christians.com/2005/03/18/the-death-penalty/#comment-36 Where, exactly, does the bible say that the state gets to kill people? Isn't "the state" made up of fallable private people? Where, exactly, does the bible say that the state gets to kill people? Isn’t “the state” made up of fallable private people?

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