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3/18/2005

gun control

Filed under: Gun Control — Rob @ 8:25 pm

How can those that call themselves “pro-life” be against gun control?

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How can someone who is “pro-welfare” not help homeless
people sleep in their houses every night?

Because dogma doesn’t translate well into real life situations.

Comment by Elvis — 3/18/2005 @ 9:11 pm
I’ve never turned down anyone that needed a place to stay or a nice meal, Elvis. I would, however, if they tried to bring a gun into my home.

Comment by Rob — 3/18/2005 @ 9:44 pm
So you would really let some drunk, strung-out, urine soaked wretch
sleep on your sofa? With your wife and daughter in the house?

Really?

Comment by Elvis — 3/18/2005 @ 10:08 pm
Well, if you really need a place, sure.
Seriously, what Jesus would do?
p.s. If I had a wife, it would be a huge victory for freedom lovin’ women everywhere.

Comment by Rob — 3/18/2005 @ 11:29 pm
You can be pro-life and pro-gun. I believe that the person pulling
the trigger makes the decision who lives of dies.
Guns kill people like spoons made Rosie O’Donnel fat!

Comment by .50Luva — 3/23/2005 @ 3:12 pm
There is no sense in anyone professing to be ‘pro-life’ and also disagreeing with gun control.
One would assume that those gun-toters who claim to be christians would also have some respect for the
tenets laid down by Jesus….but of course taking away their guns would also result in removing
whatever ‘belief’ they have in the US bill of rights…but then they don’t actually believe in
that either because they don’t think that the US judicial system should be allowed to operate
according to the laws laid down in the US constitution….Ouch…now my head hurts. Honestly,
there is no sense in these people…until we just tell them they can have a theocracy built
on THEIR religious beliefs…oh, and they can have guns too — and give them a bag limit on the
number of gays they can take a day.

Comment by marg — 3/26/2005 @ 2:11 am
Pro-LIFE is just an expression. It should be called Anti-abortion. In the sense that taking the vacuum from the doctors hand is the same as taking the gun from the shooters hand to the victims, many other comparisons can be made. This comparison of situations still does not change the fact that the two are very different. Let me ask the question differently.
How can anyone who believes in the “freedom of choice” not believe in the right to choose whether they own a gun? I would do just about anything I had to in order to avoid having to make the hard choice of abortion. In most all cases I would choose not to but in the long run I am a man thus my choice does not matter in most every single case. I would never challenge any person with the life inside of them of their right to choose regardless of what I believe or prefer, so by definition I am pro-choice.
I carry a gun and am licensed to do so. I do this because criminals carry guns and I travel with my work, leaving myself in a vulnerable position in many places being known to conduct business and would be easy to wait for after some events. If guns were illegal I would be the only one without a gun in the event I was robbed, also, with guns illegal, I among many other less protected businesses would then become the leading targets of criminals as in other countries. As it stands the criminal today has a greater chance of seeing a gun in his face from the local newsstand or bar owner than in a bank. Even if I am wrong, it is not in my rights to say whether someone should own a gun or not if there is no safety or criminal reason to prevent it. Just because I am a POTENTIAL victim does not give me the right to take preventative action against gun owners. I can however prepare myself for the fact that guns are out there and I need to be educated and aware.
Both of these issues should be put to rest for good honestly. Both are a conflict to the idea of the constitution & bill of rights as both infringe on personal rights to choose. We as a nation need to stop bickering over how to alter or prohibit our rights and instead focus our energy on how to best protect these rights and prevent abuse.
Partial laws do not work but only create a bigger problem. Late term abortions & outlawing just hand guns are the same types of arguments. Guns are guns and abortion is abortion. A .22 rifle can be cut, concealed and altered to delivery deadly sprays of bullets for little or no money and cheap ammunition. It would be illegal but it is what would replace a hand gun for a criminal and they would soon find it a better option for their criminal profession in many senses.
Abortions performed in the first month or the last month are the death of a fetus, there is no changing that and no special day during the pregnancy that the fetus becomes sentient thus no law on this matter will be sensible until you can actually prove the existence of a conscious mind. Even then the fact is, that fetus is still a part of the mother. The mother can have any number of things done to her body that we can not interfere in, this would be one of them. Can we think it is wrong? Yes, can we actually act on barring any of these choices? No. Not if we value any of our other freedoms from being defined.
Examples would be numerous in both regards. Instead of working to make abortion illegal, work to help those who would seek such means if you feel so strongly, your God help you if you ever have to make this hard choice for any reason. Should a woman be able to use this procedure as a regular means of birth control or have late term abortions may be something we have an opinion on, yet if the act was illegal we would have ability to offer our input at all, the same choice would be made with more danger to those involved is all.
Most everyone I speak to, not all but most, who are anti-abortion are so for religious reasons. The bigger issue to me is their belief system says to “live by example” yet they offer no example or repair to the problem. Answer the question “Why do women get abortions?” in a list with most common answers at the top and working down. Address those issues in society then you will eliminate most abortions without taking anyone’s rights and without wasting more time dividing those on either side of the issue.
Oddly I see 1/100th of the church members (especially in wealthy suburbs) working in homeless shelters, soup kitchens, crisis centers, probation offices & run-away centers combined that I see in one or two abortion picket lines. Why is it they have so much time to make terribly offensive and harsh signs for women to suffer and be insulted with while they protest a clinic but they have nothing positive or helpful to volunteer to these women before the time of need has reached this critical point?
Abuse of guns is a pretty simple issue, if you meet certain criteria it would not be considered controversial at all to suspend your right to bear arms. I am pro guns but I believe that gun laws are necessary to maintain order, yet these laws would depend on the community and incident. People worry about a gun registry violation of privacy issue. This can be solved by many means but people, like the abortion issue are too bent on getting their final solution in place and ignoring the fact that a middle of the road solution will be the only thing that works well in the long run.
Guns & abortion are here to stay, all sides need to stand down and get to the real point, freedom, either we have it or we do not. Once you make up your mind on that issue you can decide to enforce laws against it or not. Defining freedom should not be needed, respecting that freedom for those who feel differently than us is a must.

Comment by Jay — 3/26/2005 @ 6:16 pm
I don’t know about that but I saw on an HST webiste that you wanted to know about what the good Dr. thought of Christianity.
He was basically against all organized religion but he was very spiritual himself in a lot of ways. He mentions a little about it
in Kingdom of Fear.

Comment by FutureDr.ofJournalism — 4/19/2005 @ 11:42 am
i’m pro-life but I’m also for gun control. so i don’t know.

Comment by Bobo — 5/20/2005 @ 3:31 pm
I swear i was just cleaning my gun and it went off.

Comment by IloveBush — 8/13/2005 @ 11:04 pm
Ah, out to lunch, Gun Control only works for those who follow the laws, dumb asses.

The evil criminal does not care what gun control laws you pass, he still going to fuck you 10yr old child and kill them, he still going to get a weapon and use it to commit a crime.

He will order it from the black market, and then use it to shoot your family and take there little bit of stuff to pawn it for money to buy crack.

The criminal will kill more knowing no one else has a gun; he will use it to scare knowing no one will challenge him.

I am keeping my gun, and this government would have a civil war to try to take them away, so thanks Leftist for your social agenda that will kill us all.

When it should be killing just the criminal wanting to harm your family

Ah, that is who you want to protect is it not, it sure is not your family if you support gun control of anytype.

Do not give me the sad stories of non-crimial gun deaths, that is just bad parents or adults allowing childern near a weapon, without teaching them early that it is a weapon that can kill but used right can be a sport.

Comment by RealityMan — 10/4/2005 @ 10:36 am
Hey, unreality man, murder laws only work for those who follow the laws. Maybe we should just repeal them, huh? Too bad you’re so much a chicken shit that you won’t leave your e-mail here, so I could send this directly to your deluded brain…

We do not have a socialist agenda to take away your gun, no matter what Charlton Fucking Heston says. He just wants to scare you into voting republican so he can get a bigger tax cut, and stick you with the deficit bill. Our leftist agenda will not kill us all. When you spew out that black helicopter shit from under your tin foil hat, you just prove to us all what an idiot you really are.

Answer me this. Where do you draw the line? Should we be able to own a howitzer? An M-16? Maybe hand grenades? I’d like to have a few Tow missiles to protect myself from the junkie that wants to fuck your 10 year old.

Well, maybe I don’t give a shit about your kid. Just mine.

I support a ban on assault weapons, not because I think it will stop a whole lot of them from being sold on the black market, but because I believe as a society we can say, hey, we don’t want guns that cops don’t have to be legally sold. We think assault weapons are good for the army, but not for my neighbor. That is exactly why we have laws about murder, robbery, and rape. Not so much because the laws are going to stop some bad guy who’s going to commit the crime anyway, but because we, as a society, believe murder, rape, and robbery to be wrong.

And after reading a few of your posts, I wonder how you got past the background check.

If you do read this, just tell me where you draw the line, because I want my fucking howitzer now, so I can point it at your house.

Comment by supak.com — 11/30/2005 @ 3:02 pm