Comments on: gun control http://questions-for-christians.com/2005/03/18/gun-control/ Seeking to understand the Christian right amidst a preponderance of wrong. Wed, 27 Aug 2008 23:31:43 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5 by: Elvis http://questions-for-christians.com/2005/03/18/gun-control/#comment-4 Fri, 18 Mar 2005 21:11:33 -0500 http://questions-for-christians.com/2005/03/18/gun-control/#comment-4 How can someone who is "pro-welfare" not help homeless people sleep in their houses every night? Because dogma doesn't translate well into real life situations. How can someone who is “pro-welfare” not help homeless
people sleep in their houses every night?

Because dogma doesn’t translate well into real life situations.

]]> by: Rob http://questions-for-christians.com/2005/03/18/gun-control/#comment-10 Fri, 18 Mar 2005 21:44:23 -0500 http://questions-for-christians.com/2005/03/18/gun-control/#comment-10 I've never turned down anyone that needed a place to stay or a nice meal, Elvis. I would, however, if they tried to bring a gun into my home. I’ve never turned down anyone that needed a place to stay or a nice meal, Elvis. I would, however, if they tried to bring a gun into my home.

]]> by: Elvis http://questions-for-christians.com/2005/03/18/gun-control/#comment-13 Fri, 18 Mar 2005 22:08:44 -0500 http://questions-for-christians.com/2005/03/18/gun-control/#comment-13 So you would really let some drunk, strung-out, urine soaked wretch sleep on your sofa? With your wife and daughter in the house? Really? So you would really let some drunk, strung-out, urine soaked wretch
sleep on your sofa? With your wife and daughter in the house?

Really?

]]> by: Rob http://questions-for-christians.com/2005/03/18/gun-control/#comment-22 Fri, 18 Mar 2005 23:29:17 -0500 http://questions-for-christians.com/2005/03/18/gun-control/#comment-22 Well, if you really need a place, sure. Seriously, what Jesus would do? p.s. If I had a wife, it would be a huge victory for freedom lovin' women everywhere. Well, if you really need a place, sure.
Seriously, what Jesus would do?
p.s. If I had a wife, it would be a huge victory for freedom lovin’ women everywhere.

]]> by: .50Luva http://questions-for-christians.com/2005/03/18/gun-control/#comment-40 Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:12:17 -0500 http://questions-for-christians.com/2005/03/18/gun-control/#comment-40 You can be pro-life and pro-gun. I believe that the person pulling the trigger makes the decision who lives of dies. Guns kill people like spoons made Rosie O'Donnel fat! You can be pro-life and pro-gun. I believe that the person pulling
the trigger makes the decision who lives of dies.
Guns kill people like spoons made Rosie O’Donnel fat!

]]> by: marg http://questions-for-christians.com/2005/03/18/gun-control/#comment-42 Sat, 26 Mar 2005 02:11:21 -0500 http://questions-for-christians.com/2005/03/18/gun-control/#comment-42 There is no sense in anyone professing to be 'pro-life' and also disagreeing with gun control. One would assume that those gun-toters who claim to be christians would also have some respect for the tenets laid down by Jesus....but of course taking away their guns would also result in removing whatever 'belief' they have in the US bill of rights...but then they don't actually believe in that either because they don't think that the US judicial system should be allowed to operate according to the laws laid down in the US constitution....Ouch...now my head hurts. Honestly, there is no sense in these people...until we just tell them they can have a theocracy built on THEIR religious beliefs...oh, and they can have guns too -- and give them a bag limit on the number of gays they can take a day. There is no sense in anyone professing to be ‘pro-life’ and also disagreeing with gun control.
One would assume that those gun-toters who claim to be christians would also have some respect for the
tenets laid down by Jesus….but of course taking away their guns would also result in removing
whatever ‘belief’ they have in the US bill of rights…but then they don’t actually believe in
that either because they don’t think that the US judicial system should be allowed to operate
according to the laws laid down in the US constitution….Ouch…now my head hurts. Honestly,
there is no sense in these people…until we just tell them they can have a theocracy built
on THEIR religious beliefs…oh, and they can have guns too — and give them a bag limit on the
number of gays they can take a day.

]]> by: Jay http://questions-for-christians.com/2005/03/18/gun-control/#comment-45 Sat, 26 Mar 2005 18:16:29 -0500 http://questions-for-christians.com/2005/03/18/gun-control/#comment-45 Pro-LIFE is just an expression. It should be called Anti-abortion. In the sense that taking the vacuum from the doctors hand is the same as taking the gun from the shooters hand to the victims, many other comparisons can be made. This comparison of situations still does not change the fact that the two are very different. Let me ask the question differently. How can anyone who believes in the "freedom of choice" not believe in the right to choose whether they own a gun? I would do just about anything I had to in order to avoid having to make the hard choice of abortion. In most all cases I would choose not to but in the long run I am a man thus my choice does not matter in most every single case. I would never challenge any person with the life inside of them of their right to choose regardless of what I believe or prefer, so by definition I am pro-choice. I carry a gun and am licensed to do so. I do this because criminals carry guns and I travel with my work, leaving myself in a vulnerable position in many places being known to conduct business and would be easy to wait for after some events. If guns were illegal I would be the only one without a gun in the event I was robbed, also, with guns illegal, I among many other less protected businesses would then become the leading targets of criminals as in other countries. As it stands the criminal today has a greater chance of seeing a gun in his face from the local newsstand or bar owner than in a bank. Even if I am wrong, it is not in my rights to say whether someone should own a gun or not if there is no safety or criminal reason to prevent it. Just because I am a POTENTIAL victim does not give me the right to take preventative action against gun owners. I can however prepare myself for the fact that guns are out there and I need to be educated and aware. Both of these issues should be put to rest for good honestly. Both are a conflict to the idea of the constitution & bill of rights as both infringe on personal rights to choose. We as a nation need to stop bickering over how to alter or prohibit our rights and instead focus our energy on how to best protect these rights and prevent abuse. Partial laws do not work but only create a bigger problem. Late term abortions & outlawing just hand guns are the same types of arguments. Guns are guns and abortion is abortion. A .22 rifle can be cut, concealed and altered to delivery deadly sprays of bullets for little or no money and cheap ammunition. It would be illegal but it is what would replace a hand gun for a criminal and they would soon find it a better option for their criminal profession in many senses. Abortions performed in the first month or the last month are the death of a fetus, there is no changing that and no special day during the pregnancy that the fetus becomes sentient thus no law on this matter will be sensible until you can actually prove the existence of a conscious mind. Even then the fact is, that fetus is still a part of the mother. The mother can have any number of things done to her body that we can not interfere in, this would be one of them. Can we think it is wrong? Yes, can we actually act on barring any of these choices? No. Not if we value any of our other freedoms from being defined. Examples would be numerous in both regards. Instead of working to make abortion illegal, work to help those who would seek such means if you feel so strongly, your God help you if you ever have to make this hard choice for any reason. Should a woman be able to use this procedure as a regular means of birth control or have late term abortions may be something we have an opinion on, yet if the act was illegal we would have ability to offer our input at all, the same choice would be made with more danger to those involved is all. Most everyone I speak to, not all but most, who are anti-abortion are so for religious reasons. The bigger issue to me is their belief system says to “live by example” yet they offer no example or repair to the problem. Answer the question “Why do women get abortions?” in a list with most common answers at the top and working down. Address those issues in society then you will eliminate most abortions without taking anyone’s rights and without wasting more time dividing those on either side of the issue. Oddly I see 1/100th of the church members (especially in wealthy suburbs) working in homeless shelters, soup kitchens, crisis centers, probation offices & run-away centers combined that I see in one or two abortion picket lines. Why is it they have so much time to make terribly offensive and harsh signs for women to suffer and be insulted with while they protest a clinic but they have nothing positive or helpful to volunteer to these women before the time of need has reached this critical point? Abuse of guns is a pretty simple issue, if you meet certain criteria it would not be considered controversial at all to suspend your right to bear arms. I am pro guns but I believe that gun laws are necessary to maintain order, yet these laws would depend on the community and incident. People worry about a gun registry violation of privacy issue. This can be solved by many means but people, like the abortion issue are too bent on getting their final solution in place and ignoring the fact that a middle of the road solution will be the only thing that works well in the long run. Guns & abortion are here to stay, all sides need to stand down and get to the real point, freedom, either we have it or we do not. Once you make up your mind on that issue you can decide to enforce laws against it or not. Defining freedom should not be needed, respecting that freedom for those who feel differently than us is a must. Pro-LIFE is just an expression. It should be called Anti-abortion. In the sense that taking the vacuum from the doctors hand is the same as taking the gun from the shooters hand to the victims, many other comparisons can be made. This comparison of situations still does not change the fact that the two are very different. Let me ask the question differently.
How can anyone who believes in the “freedom of choice” not believe in the right to choose whether they own a gun? I would do just about anything I had to in order to avoid having to make the hard choice of abortion. In most all cases I would choose not to but in the long run I am a man thus my choice does not matter in most every single case. I would never challenge any person with the life inside of them of their right to choose regardless of what I believe or prefer, so by definition I am pro-choice.
I carry a gun and am licensed to do so. I do this because criminals carry guns and I travel with my work, leaving myself in a vulnerable position in many places being known to conduct business and would be easy to wait for after some events. If guns were illegal I would be the only one without a gun in the event I was robbed, also, with guns illegal, I among many other less protected businesses would then become the leading targets of criminals as in other countries. As it stands the criminal today has a greater chance of seeing a gun in his face from the local newsstand or bar owner than in a bank. Even if I am wrong, it is not in my rights to say whether someone should own a gun or not if there is no safety or criminal reason to prevent it. Just because I am a POTENTIAL victim does not give me the right to take preventative action against gun owners. I can however prepare myself for the fact that guns are out there and I need to be educated and aware.
Both of these issues should be put to rest for good honestly. Both are a conflict to the idea of the constitution & bill of rights as both infringe on personal rights to choose. We as a nation need to stop bickering over how to alter or prohibit our rights and instead focus our energy on how to best protect these rights and prevent abuse.
Partial laws do not work but only create a bigger problem. Late term abortions & outlawing just hand guns are the same types of arguments. Guns are guns and abortion is abortion. A .22 rifle can be cut, concealed and altered to delivery deadly sprays of bullets for little or no money and cheap ammunition. It would be illegal but it is what would replace a hand gun for a criminal and they would soon find it a better option for their criminal profession in many senses.
Abortions performed in the first month or the last month are the death of a fetus, there is no changing that and no special day during the pregnancy that the fetus becomes sentient thus no law on this matter will be sensible until you can actually prove the existence of a conscious mind. Even then the fact is, that fetus is still a part of the mother. The mother can have any number of things done to her body that we can not interfere in, this would be one of them. Can we think it is wrong? Yes, can we actually act on barring any of these choices? No. Not if we value any of our other freedoms from being defined.
Examples would be numerous in both regards. Instead of working to make abortion illegal, work to help those who would seek such means if you feel so strongly, your God help you if you ever have to make this hard choice for any reason. Should a woman be able to use this procedure as a regular means of birth control or have late term abortions may be something we have an opinion on, yet if the act was illegal we would have ability to offer our input at all, the same choice would be made with more danger to those involved is all.
Most everyone I speak to, not all but most, who are anti-abortion are so for religious reasons. The bigger issue to me is their belief system says to “live by example” yet they offer no example or repair to the problem. Answer the question “Why do women get abortions?” in a list with most common answers at the top and working down. Address those issues in society then you will eliminate most abortions without taking anyone’s rights and without wasting more time dividing those on either side of the issue.
Oddly I see 1/100th of the church members (especially in wealthy suburbs) working in homeless shelters, soup kitchens, crisis centers, probation offices & run-away centers combined that I see in one or two abortion picket lines. Why is it they have so much time to make terribly offensive and harsh signs for women to suffer and be insulted with while they protest a clinic but they have nothing positive or helpful to volunteer to these women before the time of need has reached this critical point?
Abuse of guns is a pretty simple issue, if you meet certain criteria it would not be considered controversial at all to suspend your right to bear arms. I am pro guns but I believe that gun laws are necessary to maintain order, yet these laws would depend on the community and incident. People worry about a gun registry violation of privacy issue. This can be solved by many means but people, like the abortion issue are too bent on getting their final solution in place and ignoring the fact that a middle of the road solution will be the only thing that works well in the long run.
Guns & abortion are here to stay, all sides need to stand down and get to the real point, freedom, either we have it or we do not. Once you make up your mind on that issue you can decide to enforce laws against it or not. Defining freedom should not be needed, respecting that freedom for those who feel differently than us is a must.

]]> by: FutureDr.ofJournalism http://questions-for-christians.com/2005/03/18/gun-control/#comment-62 Tue, 19 Apr 2005 11:42:27 -0400 http://questions-for-christians.com/2005/03/18/gun-control/#comment-62 I don't know about that but I saw on an HST webiste that you wanted to know about what the good Dr. thought of Christianity. He was basically against all organized religion but he was very spiritual himself in a lot of ways. He mentions a little about it in Kingdom of Fear. I don’t know about that but I saw on an HST webiste that you wanted to know about what the good Dr. thought of Christianity.
He was basically against all organized religion but he was very spiritual himself in a lot of ways. He mentions a little about it
in Kingdom of Fear.

]]> by: Bobo http://questions-for-christians.com/2005/03/18/gun-control/#comment-66 Fri, 20 May 2005 15:31:36 -0400 http://questions-for-christians.com/2005/03/18/gun-control/#comment-66 i'm pro-life but I'm also for gun control. so i don't know. i’m pro-life but I’m also for gun control. so i don’t know.

]]> by: IloveBush http://questions-for-christians.com/2005/03/18/gun-control/#comment-84 Sat, 13 Aug 2005 23:04:43 -0400 http://questions-for-christians.com/2005/03/18/gun-control/#comment-84 I swear i was just cleaning my gun and it went off. I swear i was just cleaning my gun and it went off.

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